A reply to Dr. Zakir Naik

Hindus generally don’t criticise other religions in spite of the fact that Christianity and Islam not only criticise, but demean Hinduism badly. Zakir Naik is only one example. Do Hindus know what is preached in the innumerable churches and mosques across India? I know for sure that Hindu gods are called devils by Christian missionaries. Yet Hindus neither defend their gods nor challenge the Abrahamic dogmas in spite of having a solid philosophical basis for their beliefs, which is lacking in Christianity and Islam.

Some years ago, Zakir Naik had ridiculed Ganapati and thrown a challenge to prove that Ganapati is God. I assume he means by God the Supreme Being that Muslims call Allah.

Now what do we know about Allah?

Foremost, Allah is great and merciful, and the faithful as well as the unfaithful are loudly reminded of it five times a day. He also knows what all human beings are doing, but is separate from them. It is claimed that Allah has communicated his final words to Prophet Mohamed. Those words are in the Quran. Allah declared that Islam alone is true. So, all human beings must follow Islam because other paths are wrong. And they must hurry up, because every human being has only one life.

Those, who do not accept Islam during their lifetime, will be thrown into eternal hellfire where “boiling water will be poured over their heads that not only melts their skin but also the inner parts of their bellies…” (Q22.19-22)

Clearly, here is where Allah’s mercy ends. He does not brook any dissent. And the Azan, which started compassionately, ends with: “Oh Allah, guide us to the Right Way. The Way of those whom You have favoured, not of those who have earned Your wrath…” Al-Fatiha 1

This means, Allah is merciful only to his followers who are called Muslims and he is wrathful to those who are not Muslims.

Dr. Zakir Naik, I am confident that I got the concept of ‘God’ in Islam right because Christianity has a similar concept. And I dare to claim that it is not true. Can you prove (and this challenge goes also to Christian clerics) that Allah/ God is indeed so unfair and divisive? Can you prove there will be this huge cauldron of fire where billions of people will burn for ever after Judgment Day? Do these claims of “eternal hellfire for unbelievers” not rather have the purpose to keep the flock in check? To divide and rule?

There are about 2 billion Christians, who are told they have to remain Christians, otherwise they can’t go to heaven. And then there are about 2 billion Muslims who are told that they have to remain Muslims, otherwise they can’t go to paradise. Both religions had plenty of time to sort out which one is true, but they did not do it. Why? Because they cannot prove it. They can only make claims and counterclaims and fight among themselves, between Muslims and Christians and with heathens or infidels. They do this for the last 2000 years.

Under these circumstances, can anyone claim that Islam or Christianity is beneficial for humanity? Is it not time to have a thorough check of what REALLY is the truth?

In regard to the absolute Truth, Dr. Zakir Naik, your ancestors, the Indian Rishis, made valuable contributions and you can be proud of them. In ancient times, long, long before Christianity or Islam appeared on the scene, the Rishis had a very mature understanding of Brahman which would be ‘Truth’ or ‘Supreme Being’ or ‘God’ in English. Brahman is not personal, not a superhuman entity somewhere in heaven, not male or female, not jealous of other gods, not revengeful if ignored, but it is Sat-Chit-Ananda, the conscious, one essence in all names and forms – like the one ocean is the essence of all the waves.

The Rishis realised that this universe is a wrong perception of Brahman. They called it Maya, not really true, only apparently true.

For anything to qualify as absolute Truth, it has to be always – past, present and future – and it has to be self-evident.

The Rishis came to the conclusion that nothing fulfils these criteria except pure (= thought free) consciousness. This consciousness is here and now, always, everywhere. Yet we miss it because we focus only on things or thoughts, emotions, etc.  – like, when we focus a torchlight in a room only on the furniture and miss the empty space. Infinite space, which throbs with life and love is actually a good metaphor for Sat-Chit-Ananda – the highest truth that underlies names and forms (nama-rupa).

Science has meanwhile discovered the Sat-aspect of the truth. Oneness is there. To discover that this Oneness is also aware (Chit) and blissful (Ananda) scientists would need to turn to their own consciousness to research further instead of looking outside. Let us see whether the scientists will support also the claim of the Rishis that this whole manifestation is alive and full of bliss.

In one point, however, you are right, Dr. Zakir Naik: There is only one Truth, one God, which the wise call by different names. But the nature of it you got wrong. It does not send non-Muslims or non-Christians eternally into hellfire. The Supreme Being is indeed merciful and great.

But you wanted to know whether Ganapati is a deity.

May I explain a bit of your ancestors’ tradition which struck me as most profound when I came to know of it?

Sanatana Dharma is not only about intellectually knowing Sat-Chit-Ananda, but about realising it. Since Brahman is all pervading, it must be also in us (Ayam Atma Brahman). So we can tap and feel it. For this, however, we need to follow certain rules. We need to purify ourselves, lead a moral life, speak the truth, etc. To eat plenty of meat and have plenty of sex is not conducive for this purification. Yet one factor is very conducive: Bhakti – love for God.

Here Hindu Dharma brings in Ishwara.

The concept of Ishwara is close to the Abrahamic notion of a personal God but more benevolent. There is of course no eternal hell for unbelievers. Everyone gets chance after chance in life after life till he realises that he is not a separate wave, but one with the ocean.

Ishwara is God with attributes and has innumerable aspects, as this universe has innumerable aspects or human nature has innumerable aspects. These aspects are personified in different deities and the devotee can choose the one who is dearest to him. It helps to develop love for the invisible Truth – for example through Ganapati.

Those Devas are mistakenly much maligned by Christianity and Islam. They are not separate entities but kind of access points to the one Brahman, which is otherwise unimaginable. It is possible to feel familiar with them, to love them, to talk with them. And the scriptures leave no doubt that devas are ultimately Brahman.

And here, Dr. Naik, you may get an answer to your question whether Ganapati is ultimately the Supreme Being.

The Ganapati Atharvashirsa Upanishad, which is part of the Atharva Veda, states: “Tvameva kevalam karta si, tvameva kevalam dharta si, tvameva kevalam harta si.

Tvameva sarvam khalvidam brahmasi, tvam saksadatma si nityam.”

It means: You alone are the creator, you alone are the sustainer, you alone are the annihilator. All this is Brahman and you are that Brahman. You are indeed the Atman eternally.

This declaration, however, is not unique for Ganapati. It is said for other deities, too.

Yet the fact that this is written in a sacred text, is not proof enough. There are plenty of sacred texts in this world and if everything in them is blindly accepted as true, we end up with all kind of proclaimed truths which are not true. We need to verify what is declared as truth on the touchstone of reason, intuition and experience. If it contradicts all of these, it is not worth believing it and certainly not dying for it.

The proof that all deities are Brahman is because only Brahman really exists. Brahman is like the ocean. The waves are not separate from it. The name with which one worships the Divine, does not matter. What matters is how much devotion one feels. The greater the devotion, the more miracles can happen. Ganapati is loved by millions of Hindus worldwide. He is the door through which they try to access Sat-Chit-Ananda.

Sanatana Dharma is very ancient. And yet the Rishis had such deep insights, for example that the world is a wrong perception of what is really true, like seeing a snake at dusk when in fact there is only a rope. Westerners who ridiculed Hindus because they believe that the world is an illusion keep now quiet as science supports the Hindu view.

Meanwhile NASA scientists have detected the building blocks of DNA in meteorites. The Max Planck Institute in Germany published the first picture of the whole universe. It had an oval shape. Could it be possible that those who ridicule Hindus for worshipping a Shiva lingam might soon rethink their attitude, as well, lest they embarrass themselves?

Great men have come and gone in India’s ancient civilisation. Some have been made into gods. There is nothing wrong with it. The Divine is in all.

It should make you reflect, Dr. Naik that science keeps validating the insights of the Rishis, for example the mindboggling age of the universe, or the ultimate Oneness of all.

Attempts to vilify Indian tradition by you and others are successful because the British weaned Indians away from their tradition and most people know little about it. Yet if you are sincere, you will realise that the wisdom of your ancestors scores high over the worldview and the mind set of Abrahamic religions. The attitude of “We alone are right and you go to hell if you don’t accept our religion” is doing great harm to humanity. It may be helpful for world dominion, but do you want to live in a world where everyone has to wear a straight-jacket?

If I were you, Dr. Naik, I would be worried especially about one thing: what if you wake up after death and there is NO paradise waiting for you? What if all those Jihadis, who were inspired by you, cursed you after realising there was no paradise for them? What if you are taking birth again in another form and reap the fruits of your actions of this life where you consciously or unconsciously distorted the truth? Rebirth is not only mentioned in the Indian texts. There is also plenty of evidence for it – over 3000 cases are documented in the archive of Virginia University.

Dr. Naik, I don’t know how deeply you believe what you preach. I know from personal experience how effective brainwashing in childhood can be. But I also know that it is possible to get out of it, and it seems the older one is, the easier.

For me, it was a great relief to come out of the Christian religious straight jacket and I would encourage you to also genuinely enquire into the truth. Your concept of God is not Truth. You quote a book as support. Truth does not fit into a book. Truth is THAT WHAT TRULY IS.

Your ancestors, the Indian Rishis, spoke from experience, not from book knowledge.

Yours Sincerely

Maria Wirth

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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220 comments

  1. Surya, usa · · Reply

    Dear Seyawash,

    Please watch youtube videos on ‘exmulims’ and ‘former muslims’ and know whats happening with enlightened muslims. They are simply leaving Islam.

    .yes creator is merciful and loving, the thing is you call creator by one name others call the creator by a different name, for example hindus call by name Brahman. Now if you look at the contemporary world, militant factions likeTaliban,ISIS, Lashkare toiba,,Boko Haram, Alqaida and Jaishe mohammed hold quran as their moral guide. In the world currently a vast majority of violent organizations hold quran as their guiding light. (Whereas the indian maoists, on the other hand, disown religion.) Why is it that all above violent organizations shout allahho akbar before killing innocent people.

    1. Peace Surya, the videos on YouTube yeah I watched lots of them but be careful they aren’t all truth. Muslims who convert to Christianity or get out of Islam do know why they do so? Most of them are from Iran and there are also from other countries like Afghanistan, Syria and etc… I live in Germany but iam actually from Afghanistan I see the afghans who convert themselves to Christianity to get the Passport of Germany or other European countries iranian the same that’s one reason there are lots of reasons. There was a Muslim girl who converted to Christianity u know why because she wanted to be a model and she said in islam it’s not allowed cuz of that I left islam. The terror organisations that u named do u have any idea who supports them and why? If not so go and find it out and Quran that Taliban or ISIS claim to be there guiding light it’s all lie they don’t even know how to read Quran or the meaning of it if so then why they kill their own Muslims and innocent kids everyday in Afghanistan Syria and Iraq. sister get up, realise they only pretend so the reality is something else it’s only power that they want and oil and hidden treasures, gold. Taliban or ISIS they are only puppets. Quran is the word of God all the good names are for Allah and quran says:
      “…if any one killed a person, it would be as if he killed the whole of mankind; and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole of mankind…” – The Holy Quran (Chapter Five, Verse 32).
      Hope u understand sister.

      1. Seyavashblog, i grew also up in a dogmatic religion and know what it means to believe what one was told as a kid and that one really can believe it…. somehow I got out of it and it felt like a big relief.
        “God has given me intelligence. I assume he wants me to use it”… don’t remember who said it, maybe Voltaire, but he is right.

        Please quote 5.32 fully. It says: “On account of that incident (this refers to Kain killing Abel) we ordained for the Children of Israel that whoever kills a person….”
        I heard that several verses in the Quran are from the Talmud and this is one of them. I did not verify this. But 5.32 clearly applies to Children of Israel…
        Wonder why this verse is usually quoted without the beginning.

        yes, there is only one Supreme Being and that is all merciful. And it is above names and forms

      2. I know sister that we all have our own ideas. Intelligence is something that everyone has and of course we have to use it but do u think that ur intelligence is on that level to recognise every single action that u do is right or wrong or to understand everything? Our intelligence depends on how much knowledge do we have and from where did we achieve that knowledge. And the verse that I quoted Ok sister suppose you have two children and they love to steal everything u tell to one of them don’t steal it’s not a good action but the other one continues stealing and when u ask him why? he says u didn’t tell me u told him not to steal. I hope u understand the example. I don’t know how much you know about Quran but read it with heart and and use ur intelligence 🙂 and also from other people who has more knowledge.

      3. Dear Seyawash,
        You have only one Quran verse 32 to defend your religion, bring something new,
        Once you go through sanatan dharma holy book you will find how narrow your Q holybook.

      4. Peace Dev,

        Brother I am not defending my religion if you and all the people like you and me, the terrorists so called Muslims were to be against islam the truth is always truth and can’t be hidden can’t be destroyed brother if you see the only religion which the most people are converting to is ISLAM. I want the people like you to understand, realise the religion “Islam”. The terror organisations so called “Muslims” they don’t have any idea about Islam or those Muslims who are born only as Muslims but know nothing about islam don’t judge Islam by looking at Muslims. Look it’s really serious it’s the matter of eternity life I am not doing this to show up my religion, by God I love you all I don’t want you to fail in this great exam. Don’t judge too fast go and study Islam read Quran with its Tafsir the meaning think about the verses of quran before judging read the Authentic Hadith and take heed don’t listen to everyone. Hope you understand and may Allah guide me and you and the people like us and show us the right path 😊!

      5. Terrorism is not a monopoly of Muslims. The only Muslims who turn towards terrorism are those who have been misguided for political reasons,unemployment and poverty in the name of religion. The media being mainly non-Muslim blows it out of proportion. The Taliban was created by the US and Osama was a CIA agent. The reason for creating the Taliban was to break down USSR as it was emerging as a super power. The ISIS too is a mixed venture of Saudi Arabia and US to keep the other countries in check so they are not a threat to Saudi Arabia which is promoting Wahabism. It is about, money, greed and politics in the name of religion. It is something similar to the Bajrang Dal. By looking at Bajrang Dal and saying that all Hindus are violent and aggressive people and Hinduism is a extremely violent religion would be totally stupid and illogical.

        If you still disagree, then it is obvious that you are prejudiced and I am banging my head against the wall.

      6. Please quote whole verse not a part of it. Meaning will itself change.

  2. Sister , you told correctly that the rishies disclosed or presented their view as per their experience. they wrote many books like ramayana, mahabharata, manu smriti. all they achieved by their constantly study and their great experienes and we get their achievement in the form of religious books. but i have some question to you and hope u will answer to satisfy me.
    1. as we always discuss that our first religion is “humanity”. to establish the humanity amongst human beings , this is compulsary that we should love and respect eac others.if we develop these thought in our heart then all human beings will be equal.
    2. my question is that why god divided human beings into 4 categories. brahaman, chtriya, bashiyav and shoodra. shoodra was not treated as the human beings for many years. they can not take water from the well. if any one touch shodra ,he should take “ganga jl” to pure himself. i always think that “shoodra ” today known as low caste are human beings . we can not sit , eat together with them . Shoodra of india struggled for many years and low cast and higher cast is the example in india . peoples are valued according to their castism. can we establish the humanity amongst human beings if we follow such concept which we received from the experience of Rishis .
    Thanks alot

    1. did i not touch on this in my post? why does a body need arms, feet, head…? if feet suffer, head will think what to do and arms will put ointment…
      discrimination is bad, but this is human weakness, everywhere. just look around.

    2. Its the tendency of narrow minded people that they even find marks on fullmoon instead of looking it’s brightness. You are one of tham as your pointer is sticked on category of sanatan dharma.

    3. Ramaprakasha · · Reply

      Discrimination is a common weakness in whole world. But Bharata has answers for it. Panchayat system was one of it. You should have representation from five important castes on panel to give verdicts.

      Since Bharata was heavily decentralized, any discrimination was contained within a village but would not spread. Even Brahmans were discriminated many a times. Discrimination between classes in the caste also would have happened, like a panchama is discriminated by another panchama, A brahmin by another brahmin.

      Shudras and Panchamas were more educated than others, one has to see the book Beautiful Tree by Dharma paal. He has compiled British census data of 1820’s and many other data which reflects status of education when they came to India.

      One should also read the article from Truth Magazine Vol 80-No. 31 page 606, “The Shudras and the wealth of India” it contains data from 1901 British census. It shows wealth existed more with panchamas and Shudras. It is British policies which made everybody poor and uneducated.

      Untouchability has two faces, A social one and dharmic one. Social untouchability is relaxed in DharmaShastras and smritis. But Dharmic untouchability is for everybody. If a Pancama is performing puja in his temple then a Brahmana in Ashauca cant come even near temple. A shishya cant touch his own Guru when Guru hasnt taken bath or in Ashaucha. This dharmic untouchability is for ones spiritual progress. Now even science is giving proofs that a persons mind has effect on external things like water etc. If people with one devata upasana live one place then the atmosphere behaves according to their whole minds. That will help all of them. See this noble laureate explaining about memory of water. It proves my last point. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILSyt_Hhbjg.

      Sarvebhyo subham bhooyaat,
      My pranaams to Maria Amma.

    4. Shoumik Chakraborty · · Reply

      My friend, please study before u comment abt something that u r unaware of.
      Cast system was divided on the basis of work and not by birth. Later on the Brahmins changed it for their own profit.
      Don’t comment just anything to prove any other religion is bad or is having flaw because in Quran”Jannath” is defined like a brothel. It mainly emphasises over the sexual pleasure. I think its a flaw. I can bring up many points other than that. Even Quran does not believe in rebirth but there are cases of rebirth. So it means Quran is wrong or god has forgotten like human about the guidelines send by him

    5. Dear moiez,
      Firstly I would like to clarify that I do not support the cast system in this modern time.

      However, the existence of cast system in Hinduism was very much a need at the ancient time. It was the time when there was no law and order like today, which defines the ownership of a person on natural resources. In such a situation, if given a choice, I am sure everyone would love to either do teaching job or fighters job than anything else. Hence the cast system was more a need. In nature, you can still find such examples which leads to strong society. For example, in colony of ants, there are types of ants which are for different purposes, such as for fighting, workers, nourishing, etc
      Without such a system, if one wonder why it was impossible to build a strong society, then just look at European and African history (BC), where for slavery there were attacks on neighboring countries. This system was the backbone of Indian society till almost 1000 years after Christ. However later on, exploitation of this system began. Critics present only this half part as the dark side of Hinduism.
      Hope, I am able to clarify your question.

      @Maria-thanks for all your efforts. It is really very impressive to see what you discovered in Hinduism and we being ignorant to it so far.

    6. Sangita Paul · · Reply

      Sanatana dharma has been modified along with changing need of people from millions of years. the God didn’t created caste system in sanatana dharma, In early Rig veda there were no concept of hereditary caste system, caste system was based on profession and it was not hereditary, means you were free to choose any profession irrespective of your background. If you opted to become an worrier then you were considered kshatriya , if you were a tiller you were considered a vaishya, or if you were a teacher then you were considered a Brahmana, prison of war were considered as Dasas and Dasus.A son of farmer could become a teacher and climb the ladder of caste system if he wished to. But during Gupta period (crica 3rd-4th century) these social structure started getting solidified due to many political reasons and professions became hereditary and caste system solidified with time. During this period many pasture and nomads who used to stay outside sanatana dharma social structure were included in the structure by the priests and they were called Sudras . Sudras mainly stayed outside villeges and mainly in jungle or pasture land and naturally they were less civilised than the villegers and as a result sometimes they were considered as untouchable. With passing time these pastoralist and nomads started agriculture or started serving people In the villeges and their status In society also started getting solidified.But basic thoughts from Sanatana Dharma doesn’t believe in caste system, it’s all about Brahmana or Moksha or truth and Maya or life. Sanatana Dharma social norms are free to interpret or modify or include new thoughts with changing time, might be after hundreds of years there will be no caste system like in early Rig veda period and we will read it in history books only.

      My request to people is that don’t confuse Hinduism with Sanatana Dharma. Anyone who lives in the Indian subcontinent irrespective of religion are Hindus, whether they are sikh or Jain or Christian or sanatana or Muslim, all are Hindus. Root of the word ‘Hindu’ lies in the word ‘Sindhu’ , means whoever stayed along the banks of the river Sindhu or Indus are called Hindu and the word Hindu is first coined by Persians In the mediaeval India.

  3. Wow,Fantastic Explanation.I hope and pray this becomes an eye opener to all those who are wasting lives in purpose of demeaning Indian trditions 🙂
    Om

  4. surya usa · · Reply

    Dr.Terror Naik has been banned from entering Malaysia, Bangladesh, Britain and USA, may be more. He is running a hate organization and channel fomenting rage and contempt against non-muslims in the world.

    Meanwhile in the muslim world hate goes on unabated, a bigger problem that is often ignored in India. “…On Monday, the Iranian leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei raised the stakes in the dispute by saying Saudi officials had “murdered” hajj pilgrims who were injured in the stampede. Saudi’s grand mufti countered by claiming that Iranians were “not Muslims”……”. There you go people. This is what it is in nutshell about the faith that is more political and least spiritual. The sunnis hate non sunni muslim sects, hindus, christians, buddhists and pretty much everybody.

  5. The violence that you see in Islamic world today is typically related to poltics of power in which gun power (of the West) matters more than moral power. So drawing any religious conclusion from the present conflict scenario would be intellectually dishonest.

    Man has tendecies (identified as evil in Abrahamic systems), one of which is to acquire excessive power which includes spiritual power.

    God helps human beings against the evil of excessive spiritual power. The kind of system of thought that you are all praise for, gives excessive spiritual power to one man over the others, and ultimately leads to spirual exploitation of man by man. The practical impact is easily seen in the pathetic life and times of India, though country has not been ravaged by the US forces (since they are more busy in settling intra Abrahamic disputes with Muslims) in modern times , nor was it subjected to tyrannies in the past. For the sake of discussion, if you consider Islam to be the latest Abrahamic religion, then the message from the Creator is that no human can claim divinity under any circumstances. This is the crux. Further Allah is not mere ‘consciousness’, which is a vague term, Allah is rather a complete term, a super-intelligent Being, not subject to the laws of this universe but rather he is the Creator of the laws also. To understand Him one has to be able to think in abstract.His words are Truth, which is an outcome of man seeking Him throuh submission and devotion. To guard man from his tendency of falling into the trap of false gods, stern warnings have issued by Allah. Why does he do so is a question that only Allah can answer? A believer in the Abstract Power that is Allah/Brahman does not question His mind because it would be fallacious to do so.

    1. ‘Consciousness’ is a vague term?? manhaq your entire comment becomes waste when you say such a thing. The only worth that your comment has is to show people how an Islam-brainwashed brain thinks.

      Only a brain high on Islam can come up with terms like “excessive spiritual power” and “spiritual exploitation”, etc. I have never in my life heard such terms and I doubt others have either. The reason why India has so many problems is because [most] people there, especially the educated ones, are not spiritually powerful. Spiritually strong people do not ignore others’ suffering. They help those who are suffering.

      Maybe from “spiritual exploitation” you mean all those babas who fool people into shelling out money. Those fake babas are not spiritually powerful. They are materially powerful (that is, they know magic tricks that others don’t, and they know exactly what to say to followers to reign them in) but know how to masquerade as spiritually powerful. It is easy to detect their fakery. Anytime a baba shows you a magic trick and gives an impression that it is because of his “spiritual power”, you should know right there that he is a fake baba.

      BTW, if India has a pathetic life and times because of “excessive spiritual power” (lol) then how do you explain the pathetic life and times of Pakistan. After all its citizens do submit and devote to Islam’s ‘super-intelligent’ Allah, don’t believe in other gods, and never ask questions. Pakistan too has not been attacked by US forces. Instead it has recieved hundreds of billions of aid through the last few decades. So why is life there miserable?

      ….then the message from the Creator is that no human can claim divinity under any circumstances. This is the crux.

      This is a fundamental difference between Islam and Hinduism. According to Dharmic scriptures, the human being has the same divinity within him/her that is present in God. Where people err is in constantly forgetting that other humans too have the same divinity within them hence they should not exploit anyone, and help them instead (materially or spiritually). This is why I said earlier that spiritually strong people (those who don’t forget that others are divine too) only help others; they don’t exploit anyone, not even animals.

      His words are Truth, which is an outcome of man seeking Him throuh submission and devotion.

      What you wrote here is an example of how to package simple ideas in words so as to make them sound grand and awesome. All you have said is that people should simply submit to Muhammad’s god and obey his words (Quran and sunnah) without question. But your wording makes it sound special. The fake babas too know plenty such tricks. I wonder if they learn all this trickry from you, or do you learn from them? 🙂

      To guard man from his tendency of falling into the trap of false gods, stern warnings have issued by Allah. Why does he do so is a question that only Allah can answer?

      Right, you are not going to ask that question. You are not allowed to (Q 5:101-102)! You must obey unquestionly!

      The above quote of yours is another example of playing with words to make them sound fancy. What it is doing is using fear tactics to keep Muhammadans stay in their wells, like frogs. Islam gives stern warnings against looking outside of the well (“Everything outside of this well is from Satan and if you look outside Satan’s gonna get ya”). Then it implies that asking questions is wrong, very wrong. Manhaq, stern warnings only work because human’s have this thing called FEAR in them. Muslims refuse to ask questions (and obediently obey) also because they FEAR that they would be doing something very wrong if they ask questions. Here is the problem though. Fear is a component of the human body (human psychology), not the soul. What if a person overcome fear itself (certainly possible)? Then Muhammad’s Allah cannot threaten him with anything.

      In the hadiths it says that a sheet ate the paper (or leaves) that Allah’s original verses were written on. It was a fear filled verse about stoning women. The goat didn’t give a slightest damn about the Allah’s ‘stern warnings’ and threats of hellfire. It ate the verse and pooped it out a few hours later from its rear end. Allah and his threats could not do anything.

      Manhaq, read the above quote of yours, read Quran 5:101-102, and Quran 33:36, and read about that goat incident again and again until it sinks into you that Muhammad’s Allah is himself a false being who uses threats and word-trickry to keep believers imprisoned in his well! He is not a ‘god’. He is some other false being (hint: Satan) who has fooled 1.5 billion humans, including you, into believing that everyone else is a false god. Good Luck.

    2. @manhaq – I understand when you talk about the nexus of US for what is happening in the world today, involving Muslims. You are not entirely wrong but still there are few things about Spiritual Exploitation or Spiritual Power etc which accidental34 says makes complete sense. And I agree with him as well. Here was my response to Maria’s Article to “Terror in the Name of God”. Search by “Babylon” and you will find my inputs. Hope it will help you “bridge” the gap :-).

      https://mariawirthblog.wordpress.com/2016/06/17/terror-in-the-name-of-god/

      As for this Article, my inputs to your comments are simply few simple points 🙂 ( Lets call Allah, Ishwar or God as Supreme because I am sure if you have your fundamentals right then there should be no question about the existence of the All Mighty Divine, who is Singular, Truth, All Merciful, Most Beautiful, and Unending Bliss and Happiness. At this point, in response to your post as well as Mr. Naik’s challenge on “Idol” worship or Ganesha being a God, there are in reality 33 crores mulitplied by 33 crores characteristics, attributes of this Supreme Being. So in order to make life easy for you, we will refer to Ishwar whom you call Allah as Supreme – who had no forms :-). Surprised to know that we have this concept of Supreme Being without a Form? 🙂 Well, Sanatan Dharma is as old as time 🙂 So expect some surprises 😀
      Coming back to my few points.

      1. Consider ourselves as children of the Supreme, in that way, we have a bit of Supreme in all of us. Just like you will have some Characteristics of your Father and Mother. So, if we start to search “who” we are we may find out “how” our Parent i.e the “Supreme” being is. This is what Hinduism wants every children (i.e humanity) to do. This being the logic, we do not believe that whoever has Supreme in them even as less as .5%, he or she cannot be “outcasted” as “others”. Sorry state of world, that Islam and Christians do so as Infeidels and Kaffirs.

      2. In order to seach, one must ask questions, and there has to be something to “guide” you to your answer. Anything that imposes cannot guide. Imposing already is a “restrictive” concept. Do this! No! Don’t Do That!….To surrender to the “Guidance” is Faith. Without faith you cannot move ahead in your quest of self discovery. You do not commit a sin or become unfaithful by questioning the Supreme’s mind. You have all the right to ask your Parent, what does He want with you? I am sure the All Merifcul Supreme will be more than Happy to tell you what is your purpose on Earth. A child asking his Father what he is thinking is nothing wrong at all :-)..Just make sure that you do not place Mr. Naik and his type as your Father, I can assure you the Supreme will not be happy 🙂

      3. Now as Children we are expected to do a little mischief, and considering whats going on in the world today we have all turned into very bad children, at least a lot of us ( Us refers to people of all religions). The more naughty as child is the more severe is the threat of Punishment 🙂 Like Hell or terrible torture for being Kaffirs of Infiedels. Maybe thats why Islam and Christianity does not consider Hinduism as a valid religion. There is no Hellfire Rod to discipline us. But, I am quite sure about their ignorance on the Law of Karma. They speak of it but do not understand it. Let me simply it for at least one person – You :-). You see our discipline works something like this – What you think, what you say and what you do – will eventually come back to you. It applies for both good and bad. In other words, there is no 3rd party to admonish us, we will be in heaven or hell “state” based on our own action.

      For more information here is something I responded to Maria in an older post, hope it helps.

      https://mariawirthblog.wordpress.com/2015/12/22/of-course-hindus-wont-be-thrown-into-hell/

  6. @manhaq,

    Hindus are encouraged to question their gurus and get clarifications and eventually get enlightened. In fact scripture Gita was structured in a question and answer format that narrates a dialogue between seeker Arjuna and teacher Krishna. Why do muslims kill apostates? That is savagery simply put. Hindus, christians and Buddhists dont punish apostates as the world knows. You, having been brainwashed from childhood, need to pause and rethink about the faith ONLY by debating with your fellow muslims. See below how a former muslim analyses your faith.

    1. the link does not work. could you resend it pls?

  7. It is working Maria, I just clicked on it.

    1. Or alternatively go to youtube.com and enter the following line in the search box:
      Ex muslim says Muhammad was psychologically disturbed.

  8. Dear Maria,
    Thank you ! Thank you ! For defending and upholding our Faith. God s peace be with you,May the light of a thousand suns illuminate your path. Indeed you are a guiding light tp other s lost in the illusion of Maya. I dont believe in” organized religion” or dogmas. I am.a hindu.by birth,Hinduism is a way of life,that is inclusive and not exclusive!!!

    Plants ,animals,lower caste beings are also extolled,through parables such as an old poor eoman of low xaste tasting baer fruit before feeding ram, etc Humanity is the hughest form of religion.I have read the Holy Quran,nowhere has Prophet who himself was a humble,pious man who fought prejudice and hate for most of his life and remained kind and loving,wept when any muslim.soldier died.He never ever glorified death,nor did Jesus another prophet. 90 % of Muslims are uneducated many cannot read arabic or read the Quran only what is fed to them as lies by religious bigits.Unfortunately no one needs to spread hate,Muslims are have enough hate to kill one another. Whether in Pakistan,in Mosques,in Syria,Lybia or Iraq. Muslims the world over need to get over themselves,their hate and Religious Superiority. If there are more than one way to reach your house,be sure there are atleast a Million ways to reach the House of God,who has more than 10,000 names,some so sacred no one knows or can speak. We are ALL without exception,even the ignorant,vile,and atheists all welcome in Gods unconditional,infinite and never ending love. Please grow up,expand your heart and love.We are all brothers and sisters.Period.

    1. 90 % of Muslims are uneducated many cannot read arabic or read the Quran only what is fed to them as lies by religious bigits.

      Hello Shon,

      Please do not teach Arabic to those 90% of Muslims because if you do, they will read the Quran and hadiths and will find out that you have been lying about the “Prophet” never glorifying death. If with only 10% educated Muslims the world is on fire, just imagine what would happen if the other 90% too start reading the Quran and start following its instructions.

      Keeping people ignorant is very important. But then you already knew that or else you would not have posted this taqiyya comment about the ‘prophet’ being being humble, pious, anti-prejudice, and anti-hate. Keep trying though, and good luck.

  9. Very incisive article. I have learned a lot reading this.

    Zakir Naik is a complete fake, just uttering mumbo-jumbo, and this proves that the thousands of people listening to him are even worse fools, know nothing at all.

    I found this short video on youtube and watching it will explain what I am saying

    1. Zakir fools his audience, that much is correct! However he does know about Islam and what the religion teaches. He fabricates stuff and deceives about science and about religions other than Islam. But he does not lie about the teachings of Islam. Notice that in the video, all his errors are related to science and history. The video maker did not point out any of Zakir’s errors in regards to Islam. That is because he does not make any [ 99% of the time]!

      Zakir does however lie about material that supports Islam’s teachings though his claims about the teachings themselves are almost always correct. So for example when he says “We Muslims have firm faith in Islam and we believe it to be as true as 2 + 2= 4, and we consider other religions to be as false as 2 + 2= 5”, he is correct. Islam does indeed require Muslims to believe in it to be 100% true, and other religions to be 100% false. (Ask me and I will provide the relevant Quran verse). And this is only one example.

      Where people get fooled is when they fail to realize that Islam’s claims and beliefs are fraudlent to begin with, and are utter nonsense. Islam is as false as 2 + 2= 0. It was started by a fraudster and its teachings are not worthy of studying, except to study how some frauds manage to succeed for a long time.

  10. Seyawash,

    Kindly read faithfreedom.org. It is set up by an Iranian. Take up his challenge if you think you are right. You could get $50,000 if you prove him wrong.

    http://www.faithfreedom.org/sinas-challenge/

  11. This is a wonderful mutual backscratching club. It seems some people cannot live without Islam even if they have to propangadize to offer $50,000/- which of course they are never going to dish out.

    In my very first paragraph, I have explained that the violence from Pakistan to Morocco (France/ Europe) is a result of US imperialism. Fakes are arguing philosophy ostensibly to browbeat Muslims with their (fake’s) high-brow ideas, but are clearly ignoring the visible reality on the ground. They are cynically asking why did the Syrians go to Europe to islamize them with their covered-up bodies, but are loathe to ask why US cannot stop fingering (by aerial bombs- no boot on the ground even to fight the ISIS because the latter are armed), other countries thousands of miles away to create a refugee crisis? So please don’t discuss violence as a relevant topic in religious discourse, if your religion has been able to impart slightest bit of morality.

    About religious issues, nothing that you have said appeals to my reasoning but it seems you think of me as incapable of reasoning because I am a Muslim. What a way of discussion ! However because of my decency I don’t ridicule your religion and will not do. You should keep doing that to my religon and feel happy.

    1. manhaq, I asked you in response to one of your earlier comments how do you explain the pathetic life and times of Pakistan? This country has never been attacked by US. Instead it has received hundreds of billions of dollars in aid. You never responded because of course you don’t have an answer!

      And now you are blaming the US again. If the US is responsible, then how is it that countries like Japan, Vietnam, and South Korea, all of whom were attacked by US, are doing just fine today? We don’t hear them crying and whining about “US imperialism”. We don’t see them terrorizing the whole world. Why is that manhaq? I’ll tell you why- Because there are no Islam-followers there!

      So no, we are not the ones ” ignoring the visible reality on the ground”, you are!

      ….but it seems you think of me as incapable of reasoning because I am a Muslim. What a way of discussion !

      Well, you could have proven us wrong by answering the questions that you were asked. Instead you ignored the questions, posted anti-US propaganda, and now you want us to stop talking about Islam’s violence in the name of morality. You are the one who has shown that you are incapable of reasoning. You are only good at lying, manipulating, deflecting focus away from Islam’s problems, and doing anti-US propaganda (Anyone can read your comments and see if for themselves whether what I said is true or not.)

      However because of my decency I don’t ridicule your religion and will not do.

      How decent you are. Amazing! Now if only Muhammad too was half as decent as you are, it would have been so great. No? Instead, here is what he did [according to Islam’s own record-keepers]:

      When the apostle openly displayed Islam as Allah ordered him, his people did not withdraw or turn against him, so far as I have heard, until he spoke disparagingly of their gods. When he did that, they took great offence and resolved unanimously to treat him as an enemy. (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 167)

      Read more about Muhammad’s decency and tolerance here: https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/muhammad/pers-new-religion.aspx

      Also, I told you to read Quran 5:101-102 and Quran 33:36. Did you read them? I also said to read about the goat/sheep eating Allah’s original revealed verses (and later pooping them out from rear-end). Did you read those hadiths? No? Don’t like to read? Ok, watch this video then 🙂 –

  12. As Socrates said, the root of everything deemed evil is ignorance. People who objectively do evil, subjectively believe they are doing the right thing, because somewhere they have picked up a mistaken idea of what constitutes right, or of what exactly it is that they are doing. There is no need to intensify the impression that they are evil, it is more helpful to make them see reason, and automatically they will correct their position; for it is not in eagerness to do the right thing that they are lacking- Koenraad Elst.

    Muslims must first acknowledge that their scriptures not only condone but also strongly advocate hate, intolerance and violence. Once that is done, they can openly debate the shortcomings and go on to correct the course of their errant coreligionists and bring them back to the path of peaceful coexistence with the rest of the humanity. A minuscule number of former muslims, living a safe and protected life in non-muslim majority lands, are doing exactly that.

  13. Dear Maria,

    I recently did a Google search on Mr. Naik and found his Website here : http://www.irf.net/
    Apparently, he has something to say about all Religions in his site, Hinduism included, as you can see. Anyone, who has not much knowledge of Hinduism, will have the impression that Hinduism is all about bunch of books, fables, and stories. Certainly, half-knowledge is a dangerous thing!

    I read somewhere in one of your blogs, may be this one itself, about people accusing of “Marketing Hinduism”, well they may think twice about “Islam Marketing” when they see the site of Mr. Naik. All Religion are doing Marketing, but the point of difference is – “What are being sold”. That should make us different from them!

    Now coming to Mr. Naik, first and foremost, he has no clue of the term “Iconography”. What an Irony that he has to throw a challenge to none other than the most intelligent and intellectual iconography of God :-). Divine Conspiracy against Mr. Naik for establishing himself as the “Father” all knowing expert.

    Ganesha himself has proved his own point, but then one has to know how the message is being conveyed. Mr. Naik with his straight-Jacket ideas colourfully decorated to attract well read and educated masses to his plottings against Hinduism will have to do an extensive self-brainwashing in the right direction to get the message.

    Assisting Mr. Naik in his difficult task. Simple inputs by a average Hindu woman.

    Allah as you say is Formless. So is Ishwara or Bhagawan – Just so you know.
    Allah is all Merciful and All Powerful, as you say. So is Ishwara or Bhagawan – Just so you know.
    Allah shall Punish the Kaffirs, as you say.
    Sorry! There is a disconnect here. Ishwara or Bhagawan remains All Merciful as per “our” previous claims. Your 3rd Claim contradicts your 2nd Claim.

    And just so you know, The Formless has 33 crores multiplied by 33 crores attribute. An average brain to conceive, perceive and realise this attribute would be like a 5 watt bulb through which 50000000 kilo watt of electricity has passed. An example of the profound magnanimity of The Formless. And, hence to make humanity understand each attribute they are tagged to various Deities. To make life simple for the average person who just wants to seek her Maker 🙂

    Expand your brain size like the Elephant Head, Mr. Naik, you may understand what your Allah wanted your people to do. Think beyond what you see, what was taught to you, think from the perspective of others. You will appreciate your Allah a bit more. Unless, off course you are proclaiming Allah sends you direct Whatsapp messages. Thats a different story!

    Listen with an untainted mind, heart to the voice of your soul, if your ears are too small, borrow from Ganesha. He will be more than happy to lend you that divine power to deep dive into the voice of your soul.

    Oh and you can listen more if you speak a little less :-). Look how small a mouth Ganesha has.

    For now these three qualities should make your life easy. I certainly do no wish to burden upon you the Spiritual significance of not only Ganesha himself but that of his Father and Mother and the deep meaning of him having a Elephant’s head.

    Anything that prepares the human soul to improvise its humane qualities to better search the divine within is worshipped. Because its said is Gita, “I am the path and I am the destination too”
    So, yes we are worshipping the path which will make us better human beings in our various roles we play in this worlds, so that we may be fine-tuned to understand our All Mighty Formless Supreme!

    PS: Saves us a lot of people from misguiding us 🙂 Now, did I reveal a secret? If so, I didn’t mean to, guess its a Divine Conspiracy against you :-).

  14. MOMMHED YUNIS · · Reply

    FOOLISH CONCEPT OF ANTI GOD OR SATAN
    Vedas say god is the super spirit residing within spirit of the person soul . therefore all except the lord is a created being and therefore the controle of the lord therefore created beings . Which means no being can function independently inless sanctioned by the lord , in vedis history there are the demons , who are nothing more than the disobedient human beings .lord resides wihin the human body along with the soul and directs the soul to understand his spiritual self , and thus get liberated , but the soul takes no cognition of that fact and acts independently nor his guidance from the heart nor the Vedas which are his word manifestation , Lord does not interfere with his freedom in neither sinful or pious deeds , but gives the result of his actions.THEREFORE THE CONCEPT OF ANTI GOD INDEPENDENT OF GOD IS ABSURD .
    JAIVA DHARMA CHAPTER 10 DISCUSSION BETWEEN A MUSLIM SCOLAR AND A VEDIC SCOLAR GORACHANDA
    Mullah: Matter is distinct from God. I think that it is better not to worship material objects, because it is said that Satan introduced the worship of matter to keep the living entities bound in the material world.
    Goracanda: Isvara is one without a second, and He has no rival.
    Everything in this world is created by Him and is under His control.� Therefore, He can be satisfied with any object when it is used in His worship. There is no object in this world one can worship that can arouse His malice, for He is all-auspicious. Even if a person such as Satan exists, he is no more than a special jiva under the control of God, and has no power to do anything that is opposed to God,s will. However, in my opinion, it is not possible for such a monstrous living entity to exist. No activity can take place that is contrary to the will of Isvara, nor is any living entity independent of the Lord.
    You may ask, What is the origin of sin? My answer is as follows. Vidya (knowledge) is the understanding that the jivas are servants of Bhagavan, and avidya (ignorance) is forgetfulness of this. All jivas who, for whatever reason, take shelter of avidya sow the seed of all sins in their hearts. In the hearts of those jivas who are eternal associates of Bhagavan, there is no seed of sin. One should understand this truth of avidya carefully, instead of imagining an extraordinary myth about Satan. It means that it is not an offense to worship the Lord in material elements. Worship of the Deity is most essential for those of low spiritual eligibility, and it is particularly auspicious for people of high spiritual eligibility. In our opinion it is mere dogma to think that the worship of the Deity is not good. There is no logic or evidence from sastra to support this position.

  15. MOMMHED YUNIS · · Reply

    ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY ARE FARCICAL FAITHS WITHOUT EVEN SIMPLE ANSWERS

    Reincarnation – a global phenomenon

    ISKCON Devotee stumps a Christian preacher

    NO UNDERSTANDING OR HAVING ANY AYOTA OFUNDERSTANDING OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MATTER AND SPIRIT
    CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM DOES NOT HAVE ANY UNDERSTANDING OF DIFFERENCE OF MATTER AND SPIRIT , THEREFORE THE CONCEPT OF GOD BEING SPIRIT . AND A PERSON ORIGINALLY BEING A SPIRIT , IS ABSENT
    1) THEREFORE THE EVER BINDING ETERNAL SPIRIT OF THE BLISSFUL RELATIONSHIP OF GODOR ETERNAL DEVOTION IS ABSENT.
    2) THE DIFFERENTAIL UNDERSTANDING OF MATERIAL WORLD AND SPIRITUAL ABODES ARE ABSCENT , THE BELIEF IS THAT I FOLLOW A CERTAIN FAITH AN LIEW OF WHICH I WILL BE TRANSPORTED TO THE “PARADICE OR JANNAT” AN ABSURD IMMAGINATION .
    3) THE PROCESS OF EXTRICATING ONE SELF FROM THE SOULS OBSESSION AND ILLUSION WITH MATTER OR” LIBERATION “ IS ABSCENT
    CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM DOES NOT BELIEVE IN THE LAW OF KARMA
    2) CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM DOES NOT BELIEVE IN THE LAW OF KARMA THEREFORE NO CONCEPT OF REBIRTH AND AN OBVIOUS CONCEPT OF AN ANJUST GOD , WHO HAS NO ANSWERS WHY HE HAS GIVEN A SOUL A BIRTH IN A RICH KINGLY FAMILY AND WHY ANOTHER IN A POVERTY STRICKEN FAMILY , WHY THIS INJUSTICE , JUST BECAUSE HE HE FELT TO DO SO AT HIS OWN WHIMS , VEDAS SAY THAT A PERSON IS BORN TO A CERTAIN ENVIRONMENT ACCORDING TO HIS OWN KARMA OR ACTIONS OF HIS PREVIOUS BIRTH, THIS EXPLAINS PERFECTLY HIS PRESENT SITUATION ,AND ALL THAT HE INCURS IN HIS ENSUING LIFE ,GOING BY CHRISTIANS LOGIC OR ISMALIC LOGIC BOTH GIVES AN UNDERSTANDING OF AN UNFAIR GOD , WHY DOES GOD PLACE RICHARD IN A RICH FAMILY AND REHEMAN IN A POOR FAMILY OR VICE VERSE. THIS PLACES GOD AS A PRECARIOUS UNFAIR PERSON,  THIS IS RIDICULOUS AND ABSURD, VEDAS BELIEVE IN LAW OF KARMA OR ACTIONS OF HIS PREVIOUS BIRTH BY VIRTUE OF WHICH HE GETS A RESPECTIVE BODY FROM A MALE FEMALE AND EVEN LOWER SPECIES OF LIFE.
    3) BOTH DO NOT BELIEVE OF GOD HAVING FORM , THIS IS MOST RIDICOLOUS . IS IS OBVIOUS WE CAN ENDERSTAND FROM SIMPLE LOGIC THAT A FATHER CAN GIVE HIS SON TRAITS ONLY THAT HE POSSESSES , THEN GOING BY THIS LOGIC IF GOD IS FORMLESS SO SHOULD BE HIS SON , BUT IF GOD HAS THE QUALITY OF BEAUTY ONLY AND ONLY THEN HE CAN GIFT IT TO HIS SON . AN ELEPHANTS OFFSPRING IS NOT A LION BUT AN ELEPHANT . ELEPHANTS OFFSPRING IS NOT A LION BUT AN ELEPHANT , AN ANTS OFFSPRING CAN NOT BE A PIG BUT CAT ONLY , A PIGS OFFSPRING CAN ONLY BE A PIG NOT A DOG, THEREFORE IT IS OBVIOUS LOGIC THAT SON CAN POSSES THE QUALITY ONLY THAT THE FATHER POSSES , VEDAS SAY THAT GOD HAS A TRANSCENDENTAL FORM , VEDAS DECLARE THAT THERE ARE THREE ELEMENTS IN THE UNIVERSE
    1) GROSS MATTER MADE UP OF EARTH , FIRE , WATER, AND AIR THAT COMPOSES THE PERISHABLE GROSS BODY OF A HUMAN BEING .
    2) SUBTLE MATTER MADE UP OF EATHER , COMPRISING THE BODY OR THE FORM OF CELESTIAL BEINGS OR THE DEVATAS AND OTHER SUCH BEINGS
    3) TRANSCENCENCE COMPRISE OF PURE BLISS . COMPRISING OF SPIRIT OR THE FORM OF THE LORD , SO IS IS THE SOUL OF A HUMAN BEING SO COMPRISED OF BUT MISIDENTIFYIES HIMSELF WITH THE ILLUSORY MATERIAL BODY .AND THEREBY THE CYCLE AND THE LAW OF KARMA TRIGGER OFF THE LAW OF KARMA , AND HE IS FORCED BY HIS OWN KARMA INTO 84 LAKH SPECIES OF BEINGS IN ENDLES CYCLE , UNTIL HE IN HIS SUPERIOR HUMAN BIRTH TAKES THE PAIN AND OPPORTUINITY TO REALISE HIS SPIRITUAL SELF .THIS STAGE IS CALLED AS LIBERATION . LIBERATION FROM THE MATERIAL BODY , AND THERE BY GOES TO THE SPIRITUAL RESIDENCE OF GOD AS A SPIRIT AS A SPIRIT SERVANT OF THE SUPER SPIRIT OR GOD .
    VEDAS SAY ALL THESE THREE ELEMENTS ARE DIFFERENT IN CHARECTER AND EXPERIENCE .LIKE FOR EXAMPLE MERCURY , WATER AND OIL ARE LIQUID BUT OF DIFFERENT ELEMENT AND CHARECTERISTIC, SPIRITUALITY IS THE UNDERSTANDING AND REALISATION OF A PERSON OF HIS ORIGINAL SPIRITED SELF , THE TRANSITION FROM HIS MATERIAL UNDERSTANDING (ILLUSION) TO HIS SPIRITUAL REALISATION ,
    ISKCON Devotee stumps a Christian preacher

    GOD HAS A TRANSCENDENTAL FORM COMPOSED OF IMPERISHABLE BLISS OR SPIRT AND THE INDIVIDUALS IDENTITY THAT HE IS ORRIGINALLY SPIRIT AND A SERVANT OF GOD IS KNOWN THROUGH VEDAS ONLY .
    Often people become puzzled when they see a picture of Lord Krishna. Usually they have been exposed only to Western religious philosophy, which hints that God is a person—the eternal father of every living entity—but gives scanty information about His form. For this reason many people think God is formless or void. But by using a little logic we can easily understand that if God is our eternal father, He must have form. Our fathers are persons with form. And if we count back thousands of generations we will find that our forefathers were also persons with form. Why should we think that the original, primeval, absolute father (God) is not a person, or that He is a formless person? The word person implies form; a formless person does not exist.
    Nevertheless, many people think that since God is spirit, He must be formless. They consider spirit to be some transparent, ethereal “force.” However, beyond this hazy conception of spirit, which is not upheld in any of the great scriptures of the world, is the scientific explanation of spirit—or, as modern science calls it, antimatter—found in the Vedic literature.
    The Vedic literature do not deny the formless aspect of God. Rather, they explain that beyond the formless, impersonal realization of God is the highest understanding of the Absolute Truth as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. The Vedic literature explain that God, Krishna, is a person. Just as we are all individual persons, so God is also an individual person. But He is not an ordinary, materially covered person like us. He is a transcendental person (nityo nityanam cetanash cetananam). And to realize His personality is to realize all His transcendental features—His name, His qualities, His activities, His associates, and His form.
    God, who is complete, cannot be formless. Everything in His creation has form, so how can God have no form? This would mean that God is less than His creation—or in other words, that the complete is incomplete, which is simply illogical. The complete whole must contain everything within our experience and beyond our experience; otherwise He cannot be complete. In addition, all the great scriptures of the world instruct us to love God. How can we love something formless or void? It’s impossible. We are all persons, and we desire to love other persons—not some dark oblivion in outer space. We desire personal relationships, and the ultimate relationship is with the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
    The form of Krishna—with His bluish hue, lotus eyes, blooming youthfulness, and pearl-white smile—is not fanciful. It is not created by an artist, a philosopher, or a mundane poet after seeing the beautiful panorama of the material world. This anthropomorphic idea doesn’t answer the question, “Where does the beauty of nature come from?” Actually, the beautiful things of nature are reflections of Krishna’s original beauty. He is the prototype, as He explains in the Bhagavad-gita (10.41). Yad yad vibhutimat sattvam shrimad urjitam eva va / tat tad evavagaccha tvam mama tejo-‘msha- sambhavam: “Know that all beautiful, glorious, and mighty creations spring from but a spark of My splendor.”
    (Bs. 5.30).
    angani yasya sakalendriya-vrittimanti
    pashyanti panti kalayanti ciram jaganti
    ananda-cinmaya-sad-ujjvala-vigrahasya
    govindam adi-purusham tam aham bhajami
    “I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, whose transcendental form is full of bliss, truth, and substantiality, and who is thus full of the most dazzling splendor. Each limb of that transcendental figure possesses in itself the full-fledged functions of all the other organs, and He eternally sees, maintains, and manifests the infinite universes, both spiritual and mundane” (Bs. 5.32).
    Experts in the science of bhakti-yoga have related to us the knowledge of Krishna’s form through an unbroken disciplic succession. They encourage us to test the methods they prescribe, and to experience unlimited pleasure by seeing Krishna’s form ourselves.
    FOOLISH CONCEPT OF GOD.
    As in Christianity or islam there is no understanding that human beings are originally spirit , but covered by matter or illusion a perishable illusory reality , God is originally spirit , and the souls eternal bliss and the supreme happiness is in serving him , In other religion the work “spirit” “soul” and “ru” is there but only acts with a medium of a material body and that it is formless, this is irrelevant and absurd according to Vedas . as there is no understanding of the original individual of a person or the science of spirit , ie
    1) Spirit has an independent form different in character and conditions of the material body , as it is blisfull in eternal service of god who is super spirit .Therefore while living in the material world to come to the consciousness and realisation of spirit one cannot connect to god
    2) There is therefore no understanding of the Spiritual abodes which comprise of the bliss expansions of lord the birds, plants ,fruits and everything of the spiritual abodes of the lord , There is no understanding that even flowers , fruit. taste , and the beauty within in the material world are also a reflected secondary perishable expansion of the lords material opulence.
    3) Therefore as there is no understanding of spirit , “SPIRITUALITY” IS A FARCICAL STATEMENT IN ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY. There is no chance of a person to come to the consciousness of spirit and therefore connect to god in eternal service or the “super spirit”, then what is gods role? HE IS JUST A SHARE CERTIFICATE OR A FIXED DEPOSITE ,TO ENJOY HEAVENLY IMMAGINARY BENIFITS , MAKING GOD A SERVANT ,SERVITUDE TO HIS PREOGATIVE OF SUPPLYING ALL SELF IMAGINED ETERNAL ENJOYMENT, WHICH ARE FRINGES LIFTED FROM HIS EXPERIENCES FROM HIS MATERIAL EXPERIENCES OF THE MATERIAL WORLD WHERE HE LIVED. WERE VEDAS SAYS THAT WE ARE A SERVANT OF GOD OTHER FAITHS MAKE GOD HIS SERVANT JUST THE OPPOSITE CONSCIENCE A DOG TO SERVE HIS SENSES BUT NOT AN OBJECT OF SERVICE AND ENTIRITY OF SURRENDER OF CONSCIENCE
    FOOLISH CONCEPT OF ANTI GOD OR SATAN
    Vedas say god is the super spirit residing within spirit of the person soul . therefore all except the lord is a created being and therefore the controle of the lord therefore created beings . Which means no being can function independently inless sanctioned by the lord , in vedis history there are the demons , who are nothing more than the disobedient human beings .lord resides wihin the human body along with the soul and directs the soul to understand his spiritual self , and thus get liberated , but the soul takes no cognition of that fact and acts independently nor his guidance from the heart nor the Vedas which are his word manifestation , Lord does not interfere with his freedom in neither sinful or pious deeds , but gives the result of his actions.THEREFORE THE CONCEPT OF ANTI GOD INDEPENDENT OF GOD IS ABSURD .
    JAIVA DHARMA CHAPTER 10 DISCUSSION BETWEEN A MUSLIM SCOLAR AND A VEDIC SCOLAR GORACHANDA
    Mullah: Matter is distinct from God. I think that it is better not to worship material objects, because it is said that Satan introduced the worship of matter to keep the living entities bound in the material world.
    Goracanda: Isvara is one without a second, and He has no rival.
    Everything in this world is created by Him and is under His control.� Therefore, He can be satisfied with any object when it is used in His worship. There is no object in this world one can worship that can arouse His malice, for He is all-auspicious. Even if a person such as Satan exists, he is no more than a special jiva under the control of God, and has no power to do anything that is opposed to God,s will. However, in my opinion, it is not possible for such a monstrous living entity to exist. No activity can take place that is contrary to the will of Isvara, nor is any living entity independent of the Lord.
    You may ask, What is the origin of sin? My answer is as follows. Vidya (knowledge) is the understanding that the jivas are servants of Bhagavan, and avidya (ignorance) is forgetfulness of this. All jivas who, for whatever reason, take shelter of avidya sow the seed of all sins in their hearts. In the hearts of those jivas who are eternal associates of Bhagavan, there is no seed of sin. One should understand this truth of avidya carefully, instead of imagining an extraordinary myth about Satan. It means that it is not an offense to worship the Lord in material elements. Worship of the Deity is most essential for those of low spiritual eligibility, and it is particularly auspicious for people of high spiritual eligibility. In our opinion it is mere dogma to think that the worship of the Deity is not good. There is no logic or evidence from sastra to support this position.
    IRRELEVENCE IN MATERIAL UNDERSTANDING AS WELL
    IRRELEVANCE OF CHRISTIANITY

    IRRELEVANCE OF ISLAM

    HYGENE AND ISLAM

    1. The sure sign of a stupid is his/her lengthy unreadable presentation in capitals. Frame your questions in minimum words and allow me to answer in minimum words else make your statements in minimum words and let me ask you in minimum words. My email: manhaq@yahoodotcom, Alternatively come to website of New Age Islam, New Delhi for discussions. There you can abuse Islam to your fill, and I am inviting all of you including Maria Worth , because I comment there and it would be convenient for me.

  16. Hindu Agnostic · · Reply

    Dear Ms. Maria Wirth,
    I respect your views. I am a Hindu Agnostic. I don’t like being called an ex-Hindu because that cuts me off from my roots, but I personally don’t believe in the core tenants and texts of Hinduism or the deities of Hinduism, nor do I believe that there is any scientific validation we can provide for Hinduism. These apply to every other religion on this planet. I however am fascinated by Hindu culture. I come from a strong Hindu Tamil Brahmin background and have learnt Hindi and Sanskrit to an extent. I love Carnatic, Hindustani and rural Indian (especially South Indian) folk music. I love Dosa, Idly, Paneer-related dishes, Vada, etc. I go to temples because I think temples can be considered not just as a place of worship, but a place where we meet people, and I love to meet and talk to new people. But here are my views on whatever you have mentioned in your article.
    HINDUISM: It is not actually a religion because there is nothing much defined in it, first of all. People can choose to believe what to believe. In that way, it is a beautiful way of life, not some restrictive code of conduct. The first “Hindu” civilisation was probably the Indus Valley Civilisation. We can see similar occupational-divide, similar demi-gods, gods and goddesses carved, quite similar architecture, etc. A probable difference is that the Indus Valley Civilisation was a gender-neutral society, and there is evidence that men and women, both held high positions in family and society and contributed to life and evolution. There was nothing such as “protection” of women or “protection” of men, which leads to men or women being considered as wealth, a trend in most matriarchal and patriarchal societies at that time. The Vedic society and those to follow, were however, highly patriarchal societies, with women being treated as wealth, asking to stay put inside their homes and worship and serve their husbands. I wouldn’t say that was wrong, it was correct but at that point of time. This was because the Vedic society became a labour-based society, that called for male dominance, with women moving between male groups. It was thus, necessary for patriarchy to dominate. But patriarchy, like all in all other civilisations, bred chauvinism and oppressed women in the long run. In mountainous societies at that time, matriarchy ruled. But a more important thing I consider was the Varna Asrama Dharma, which was followed in the Indus Valley Civilisation. In my view, Varna Asrama Dharma is a text that tells us that in any society, there will always be three professions: Knowledge-provision, Wealth-Provision and Service-Provision and for any individual, there will always be four stages of life: Childhood, Age-of-learning, Adulthood and Old-Age. In my view, Varna Dharma says that all the three professions must be balanced, so as to help the society to sustainably evolve, or else the society would be plagued with poverty, which may lead to excess of domestic labour and patriarchy/matriarchy would breed male/female chauvinism(accordingly). Asrama Dharma tells us that we would be leading a sustainable life, if we pursue knowledge with passion and desire to know/seek more, then get settled in life with a profession that interests us while, at the same time, grooming our next generation, then, when we reach our retirement-age, try doing something for the society like innovation or service by making use of our wealth or knowledge (knowledge is indeed wealth) and when we are at the brink of our time, live a detached life on our pension (whatever is left of us) while trying our best to radiate wealth and knowledge to everyone, by considering the whole earth as ours. Unfortunately, the Manusmriti misinterpreted the Varna Asrama Dharma to make it look like a casteist framework. Vedic texts like Vedas, Upanishads and other Shastras were probably a set of tribal or nomadic practices like havan, pooja, “spiritual” meditation, etc. that later became religionised thanks to the Puranas and the later Bhakti era. Ramayana and Mahabharata were probably true incidents and Krishna and Rama weren’t gods, just humans like us, who were far ahead of others in defining a sustainable society. That made people immortalise them as Gods. Krishna and Rama were in my opinion really great human beings who practiced what they preached. However, people who follow translations of teachers who misinterpreted them literally do end up in concluding that, for example, Krishna warns of materialism in Bhagavad Gita but stocks hoards of gold, and has a lot of kingdoms. So people make sound Krishna as a hypocrite, but when they read the rest of the Mahabharata, it doesn’t seem like that, it is just that Krishna was against oppressive materialism, not materialism by itself. In fact, Rama considered that our materialism must not be hoarding wealth for our personal satisfaction alone, but it must be abiding by Dharma (sustainable evolution). Here is one of the translations of some random ten shlokas of the Gita by my friend: http://thebigthinkg.blogspot.in/2015/10/sva-dharma.html Though there is no archaeological or scientific evidence for the Mahabharata and Ramayana, I believe that behind every mythology, there is a real history. Rebirth is not true scientifically speaking, because there is no soul. All of us are ultimately made of quarks, which are made of bosons like photons and bounded together by gluons and were given mass by the Higgs Boson. They trace their roots to the virtual particles that existed in Quantum vacuum at t=0. So if there is no personal soul, what is it that gets reborn? And the anecdotes of people remembering their past births is no evidence for rebirth. Their condition can be explained psychologically. The scientific evidence you mentioned was not given by University of Virginia itself, but by a psychiatrist who taught in the University of Virginia. Dr. Ian Stevenson was critiqued by C.T.Krishnamachari and Paul Edwards for his paper on reincarnation which he prepared after blindly believing whatever the parents, children, or the translators said. So he wrote them based on confirmation bias. Okay, let’s disregard that for a moment, his arguments were mainly based on the scars or birth-marks observed on the children and the stories that the children “remembered”. Why should they possibly be birth-marks from the other birth? Did he confirm if the parents did not have any genetic lead? For example, if I become diabetic in my late 60s, it would be because of my diabetic grandmother or paternal uncle, not because of whatever happened in the other life. It is genetic. Or it could have been because of my carelessness, I think it is inevitable because I love to eat sweets and ice-cream, right? You get it, right? This argument by Stevenson is used as a “scientific validation of rebirth” and the internet is flooded with science and Hinduism. Coming to spirituality, all kinds of things like yoga and even science, is associated with being spiritual. I don’t consider yoga to establish some physical connect, but I do understand that yoga helps develop flexibility, combat physical and mental stress, and merge our mental thinking with physical actions so that we can give 100% in what we do, for which we have to become one with our work and that requires eight steps (Ashta-anga). Spirituality and science, I am afraid, have been bitter enemies for centuries and I think you, being, a former Christian, would understand how dangerous is it to have a religious influence on science and vice-versa. Now, we have even you, saying that science has proved what Rishis have been saying for ages, that everything comes from one source and there is actually nothing in this world. I am sorry, but science never says that there is “nothing”, or at least, has not yet said so. It says that we ultimately trace our roots to the virtual particles present in quantum vacuum before the big bang. And they are called “virtual” because we, at the classical realm, appear “virtual” from the quantum realm. And do not link the scientific virtual to the philosophical/theological/spiritual virtuality. “Virtual” in science means implied because of quantum excitation and perturbation, not the philosophical virtuality that constantly links everything with consciousness and “I”. According to science, there is no consciousness, but an “I” exists due to a colony of neurons in our brain, which makes us decipher reality to an understandable form. Classical mechanics is a media by which we can decipher what we are made of, not something that is philosophically virtual and quantum physics philosophically real. Rishis and Saints have come to this conclusion from imagination and intuition (mark that intuition need not always be true, it is true only when backed with an element of logic), not from the scientific method or hypothesis. There is nothing like inner “self”. When you say scientists have not being dwelling inside, you’re wrong, because they have gone inside what we are made of. First, they said we are made of cells, then of atoms, of electrons, protons and neutrons, of leptons and baryons, then of quarks and so forth. So haven’t they dwelt inside as much as possible? They do continue dwelling and they will forever, and help make strides in human evolution.
    So my view on Hinduism is that it was a beautiful way of life, now religionised fortunately/unfortunately, but did have a fair share of iconic figures, and rational texts like Varna Asrama Dharma (a socio-economic structure), Ramayana and Mahabharata. The core values of Hinduism all of us, Hindu or Muslim, must inculcate, is abiding by Dharma (sustainable evolution). Hinduism has also had an age of free-thought, were it drove schools of thought like Nyaya and Vaisheshika which rejected blind belief and acceptance of canonical texts and relied on the scientific method. It has produced great people like Aryabhata, Bhaskara, Madhava, Kanad, Charaka, Sushruta, Budhayana, Pingala, Panini, Kalidasa, etc. who have gained world acceptance in their contributions to mathematics, physics, chemistry, medicine and literature.
    ISLAM: Islam is a place where something is actually defined. The Quran was written by Muhammad and it was a socio-economic framework or ideal like the Varna Asrama Dharma, not a nomadic set of rites like the Vedas. To understand Islam, we must understand 6th century Arabia. Just like we understood what it was like in 3000BCE to understand Hinduism. 6th century Arabia was plagued with womanisers, rapists, thieves, cheaters, dacoits, selfish rulers and a lot of poor people and inequality. Islam was in a way, a reform, a balm to the people of Arabia. Quran may appear backward today, just like the Varna Asrama Dharma, but in Islamic Arabia, it was considered forward. It did establish a patriarchal society, with strict laws like punishment for thieves and rapists, and tough protection for women from the clothing they wore. The clothing was also influenced by desert region, but primary objective was to protect women from rapists, which led to a patriarchal societies. God was probably a tool to discipline the Arabs, but unfortunately, today, people value God more than what Islam is actually trying to tell us. Muslims were people who were asked to abide by the socio-economic ideology of the Quran in order to progress and become more evolved people, not actually what we see today. In other words, Quran did to Arabia what Varna Asrama Dharma was doing to Indus Valley. The primary objective of Islam was to establish equality. That was the reason that Islam spread like wildfire in Arabia, Turkey, Eastern and Southern Asia and Africa. But later on, it became religionised, just like Hinduism. There were texts like Hadees, and not all of them were actually true, because Islam seeped into the hands of the clerics who either started to politicise religion, or to religionise politics. Today, Muslims are associated with backwardness, radicalism, terrorism and intolerance. Most of them are not like that and for some of them, we need to give time, because Islam was a total revolution and to ask people to liberalise out of a revolution would sound difficult. I am not talking about ISIS and other terrorist organisations, but about some who seem to be attached to Islam too much that they don’t progress in many areas. We must give them time.
    So my view on Islam is that it was a beautiful socio-economic structure, which later got politicised and religionised. Religionisation did breed some positive aspects like Sufism, which developed an art and culture of its own, music, dance, food, dress, moral values of brotherhood, etc. There were also new languages like Urdu, Kashmiri and Pashto developed from the Arabic script. Urdu influences me, and I admire legends like Mirza Ghalib, Ashfaqulla Khan and Josh Malihabadi. I love Shayaris, Ghazals and other Sufi music too. Ghulam Ali remains my favourite. I do not know the Urdu script, but I feel that Urdu is a lot more polite than Hindi. Now, coming back to Islam. Islam too, had its share of rationalists, the Mu’tazilas. They were like our Nyayas and Vaisheshikas, who advanced areas in mathematics, physics, chemistry, medicine and literature. Some notable among them were Ibn Haytham, Omar Khayyam, Rumi, Ibn Rushd, al-Khwarizmi, al-Tusi, Ibn Turk, Al-Quhi, al-Biruni, Ibn Yazid and Ibn Hayyan. What we can learn, as humans, irrespective of religion, from the Quran, is to treat everyone equally, without getting influenced by the colour of likes/dislikes.
    CHRISTIANITY: Well, nothing much to be said. But again, understand it from how the moral values of people were, in Jerusalem. Bible, is what people wrote after observing Jesus Christ. But who actually was Jesus Christ and who was Paul? It was the sacrifice of Jesus Christ and Paul and giving their message to people by means of love, compassion and forgiveness that made them immortalised as God. This is was why Christianity spread in the West, in Europe, in parts of Africa, in Northern and Southern Asia, in Australia, etc. Unfortunately, the Church was accustomed to politicise or ritualise the teachings of Christ into oppressing people. That is why many people loathe the Church today. Christianity too has its fair share of rationalists. Do not forget that Galileo, Copernicus, Newton, Kepler, Descartes, Leibniz, Bernoulli, Lavoisier, Laplace and Pascal still considered themselves as believers, only that they opposed the doctrine of the Church in religionising science.

    So, in conclusion, I think it’s been a pretty long message, but how do we understand religion? Should we allow ourselves to be steeped black in confirmation bias by seeing what we like and not seeing what we hate? Or should we be part of the grey spectrum, that is a combination of VIBGYOR and Black? In my opinion, we should be opportunists. Evolve with time, take good in everything, chuck out the bad. Adopt communism/capitalism after really understanding the situation at ground, not because China or America does it. Learn what’s around us, analyse things, think not only for us, but the society as a whole. Learn how we can fulfill our desires without affecting the society, or nature’s indestructible laws. Separating science from religion because science is a progression of human free-thought by adopting the scientific method, not just free-thought or round-about revolution as in religion. Focus equally on health, wealth and people. These are what we must learn, what we must inculcate, and what we must follow for eternity. This is how we achieve happiness. Not by breeding hate that is coloured by our likes and dislikes. Hari Om.

  17. Surya USA · · Reply

    Islam promotes violence and hate against other religions. It is the duty of a muslim either to convert forcibly or kill in his attempt a nonmuslim, this is taught in their madarasas and mosques. Dont believe, see whats happening in bangladesh right now. Hindus are killed and their places of worship are getting destroyed. The ISIS caliphate, Bhagdadi, who is a PhD in Islamic studies declared that ‘Islam is NOt a peaceful religion, it has to accomplish its goals at any cost’.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/07/world/asia/bangladesh-hindu-muslim-nasrinagar.html?mabReward=A1&recp=1&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&region=CColumn&module=Recommendation&src=rechp&WT.nav=RecEngine

  18. Hi Guys, the concept of God in Islam is actually very simple and one does not need volumes to explain the concept of God. For those who are unaware Allah when translated into English means Allah = Al Ilah = The God. In Islam I believe God is One of whom there is no image or likeness. Whether you like it or not, if you believe that there is only One God then you believe in Allah (Arabic word for The God, or One God), and you are a believer – Muslim.

    Muslim is a person who believes in One God, as this was the message that was preached to mankind from the beginning of time. The minute you make an image of God and starting worshiping that image or avatar, you are moving away from God. The point I am trying to make is that there is no image of Brahman, and the minute you start worshiping anyone having an image or form, you are not worshiping Brahman. It might sound really odd to people who have no knowledge, but if you are a Hindu who worships Brahman alone without associating Brahman to anyone else, then you are a “believer”, a Muslim! And the religion you are following is Islam (submission of your will to God).

    Leave the Quran aside, and leave Muhammad (PBUH) aside for a moment. If you do not wish to follow the Quran or Muhammad (PBUH), then don’t. You are still a Muslim. Every single child according to Islam is born as a believer, who believes in One God, which is a Muslim. The society then binds him into various rituals and practices, which deviate his thinking from his original state of believing in One God. If you are a truth seeker and come to the conclusion that any worship to any deity other than Brahman is wrong and you should connect with Brahman (who has no form or image) alone through your own form of prayer with a sincere heart, you are a Muslim.

    You don’t believe me, and think I am trying to bluff you right? Then read this –

    [Quran 2:62] Surely those who believe, and those who are Jewish, and the Nazarenes, and the Sabiens; any one of them who believes in God and the Last Day, and does good work, they will have their reward with their Lord, with no fear over them, nor will they grieve.

    In that case, why do Muslims believe in Quran and wish for everyone to follow the Quran? It is because that God says in the Quran that he sent his messenger to every nation with the same message of worshiping God (Brahman / Allah) alone, without associating partners in worship. But it is our understanding that as time passed by, the various scriptures that exchanged hands got adulterated and had certain revelations removed and added to them over a period of time. The Muslims believe the Quran to be in the purest form, hence they try and follow everything to the word as given in the Quran. You do NOT have to believe what the Muslims who follow the Quran believe. You can remain a Muslim by not even reading the Quran. But if you really wish to seek the truth, then you MUST learn Sanskrit and do your own research and go back to the Vedas. If you then reach the conclusion that you wish to follow the Vedas alone as they continue to remain in the pure form, then that is great. As long as you worship God (Brahma / Allah) alone (stop making images of God / Brahma), and do good work, may Brahma (Allah) reward you on the day of Judgment.

    1. Flatulence also has no image and no likeness and anyone who tries to make an image out of it, is insane. Muhammad’s Allah is nothing but hot air, islaminuk! If you really want to understand “the one with no image and no likeness” then ditch the Quran and study Hindu philosophy. You will learn that it is impossible to “associate” Brahman with anyone else, because there is no anyone else!

      Leave the Quran aside, and leave Muhammad aside for a moment.

      I tell you the same thing. Leave them aside, FOR GOOD, if you want to progress spiritually even one inch!

  19. Excellent!

  20. nityasoori · · Reply

    Dear Maria,

    I have been reading most of your articles and blogs on the subject through the columns in ‘wordpress.com’ and other media. I wish many Indians who live in the self-imposed exile from the clear understanding of Sanatana Dharma pause a while and think of what they have been missing all through their lives and how the glib-talking touts of Abrahamic religion have been systematically dismantling Hinduism by misquoting their dogmatic philosophies from their religious books. I do appreciate your candid and bold writings asserting the true values of Hinduism.

    I would like to suggest you to go a step further in your ardent pursuit of studying the Hindu philosophy and try to get the views of Sri. Ramanuja who reviewed all the six vedic religions and established the Visishta-Advaita philosophy. Presently, I reckon your understanding of the of the Hinduism is mostly based on Shankara’s Advaithic philosophy that perceives God as Nirguna Brahmam (without attributes). The validation of any of the vedic philosophy propounded by its exponent must satisfactorily explain all the statements of all the Upanishads. Shankara’s philosophy restricts itself explaining the Abheda Shrutis and conveniently abandons the bheda Shrutis as superfluous. Only Sri. Ramanuja’s visishtadvaita Sidhanta complies with all the Shrutis without any exception using the unique Shareera/Atma doctrine.

    I suggest this course of action to you only to enlighten yourself further on this great religion. While doing so, I also recommend that you consult a well established Visishta Advaita Acharya for proper guidance.

    1. actually i feel closer to Kashmir Shaivism than to Adi Shankara

  21. Well, besides what you, Ms Wirth have so succinctly established, what perhaps should be more important for Hindus – and indeed for all humans who desire peace – is if their God can be cuddled; talked to; grumbled with or argued with. I want to get hold of my God and feel him right here, right now. And ask him, boy, where are my virgins, and where’s that hell with boiling oil waiting to devor my sinned skin.

    And I can do this and more with Ganpati. He is eminently accessible. And cuddly. And has a cute story behind him of a busy, happy-go-lucky forgetful dad. Ganpati connects me directly with the Lord, if I believe in the lord, that is. Otherwise, i just I have a ball with him and it’s bliss.

    If finding “Iswar” is the issue, I’d rather resolve it myself. I don’t believe I have the patience to wait to meet a messiah-gospel, who once heard my God.

    I hate brokers and intermediaries. Everywhere.

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  23. Thankyou Maria Wirth for your enlightening article.You have put in words what all of us Hindus actually believe.I believe ‘hinsaya dukhitah yah say Hindu’If one can simply live in this world without hurting anyone in thought word and deed,it is being a Hindu,or simply being human.That’s what all religions should teach their followers.Thankyou once again.

  24. DrJayesh · · Reply

    good reply.
    i want to add something about the concept of ganpati.
    The meaning of ganpati in Sanskrit is ” master (pati) of a group (gan). whatever rishis had explained the image of ganpati teaches us the qualities of leader of any group.
    ganpati have head of elephant. elephant have some qualities. elephant is wisest animal. whenever you put him grass he will throw some grass first for small animals first. after that he will eat. the leader should also think about others first. It is also belief that elephant can see the future, means the leader also think about future not only about present.
    Ganpati have big ears means the leader should give ears (attention) to smallest person of group.
    so many such things about ganpati teaches us to be a good leader. In sanatan dharma ” shivo bhutva shivam yajet” means to pray shiv you should gains qualities of shiv.
    and as u explained to realize brahman we should earn some qualities. n ganpati teaches us to achieve qualities of leader.

  25. Devashish Sonowal · · Reply

    Maam,forgive me if im ignorant to u. You
    should also looked at What the Vaishnav archryas says about That Brahma u say. Parambraham and Relationship between Us and Duality between Atma and Paramatma on reading ur articles I am founding it’s more on Advaita philosophy

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