Indian influence on German scientists

In the first part, I showed that German philosophers were VERY interested in ancient Indian manuscripts which were often looted by missionaries.

What about German scientists? Were they also interested in Indian knowledge?

Yes. Very much so.

Famous names are among them: Einstein, Max Born, Max Planck, Heisenberg, Schroedinger, Weizaecker and Wernher von Braun. These scientists of the early 20th century knew about Indian philosophy and did not hide their knowledge of Vedanta. Schroedinger ended his lectures often with the Upanishadic quote “Atma is Brahma”.

But these scientists did not disclose if they got concrete help from ancient manuscripts for ‘their discoveries’. Einstein praised India for the invention of Zero. But was this all, what he got from India? In all likelihood, he was not fully honest.

German scientists were very advanced in Nazi Germany. How?

Only while researching on this topic, I realised how advanced German scientists suddenly were and why the Americans were so keen to capture them at the end of the war, including hardcore Nazis. The Americans and British even tried to outmanoeuvre their French and Russian allies in getting those scientists in 1945. They were successful getting Heisenberg first, though he lived in an area where the Russians were approaching.

Yet Russians also captured documents. This was revealed almost casually by professor Dr K S Balasubramanian of the Kuppuswami Sastry Research Institute in Chennai. In an interview by Ashish Dhar (on the net under “Knowledge makes India incredible” minute 47 onwards).

Prof Balasubramanian recounts the following incident of what Dr Padma Subramanian, a famous dancer, had told him:

Dr Padma Subramanian had once a performance in Leningrad in Russia. She also visited the museum. The director showed her some 1000 ancient Indian manuscripts. He told her, that they were captured by the Russians at the end of WW2 from Germany. Among them was a manuscript on missiles, and Russia was able to develop its first InterContinental Ballistic Missile (ICBM) on the basis of this manuscript. Further, he said, among those manuscripts was also info on cloud piercing to manipulate the weather, which the Russians successfully did before Dr Padma Subramaniam’s open-air performance.

Indian influence

This is BIG news and strangely, hardly anyone knows about it. Those Indian manuscripts were still in Germany, when in the 1930s, Heisenberg and Weizaecker worked on nuclear weapons and Wernher von Braun worked on missiles for Nazi Germany. Incidentally, all three also visited India. Moreover, an Indian Brahmin, Brahmasri Dandibhatla Vishwanatha Sastry from Rajahmundry, was taken to Germany in the 1930s to help in decoding the rahasya mantras which were used for Missile Technology. Please see the link below to Sanskritti Magazine.

Einstein, too, was in Germany till 1933. He would have known and warned President Roosevelt that the Germans will soon have the atomic bomb.

Remember: in 1903, the Wright brothers managed to fly only for 12 seconds up to only 38 meters high. How come the German air force had fighter jets in the 1930s and ballistic missiles which not only bombarded London but some of them also went into space over 80 km high?

Further, they built an atomic reactor and worked on an anti-gravity space craft, the famous Nazi Bell. This Nazi Bell resembled in an uncanny way the Rukma Vimana which Shvikar Bapu Talpade had built. It is rumoured, it was secretly taken from Bombay to Germany.

Nazi Bell and Rukma Vimana

Unfortunately, many Indians ridicule the claim that ancient Indians had vimanas, while Germans took it seriously. Shivkar Bapu Talpade studied the Sanskrit texts and flew a remote-controlled machine in 1895 (eight years before the Wright brothers) for 37 seconds and 457 meter high. Like so many other Indian achievements, this is not in history books.

Shivkar Bapu Talpade had a sad life. He didn’t get funds and was put into prison for trying to develop a mercury ion engine according to ancient texts. After his release, he worked on the anti-gravity Rukma Vimana. He died at age 57, disillusioned.

Praveen Mohan has a YouTube video on him. Here is a screenshot from the Nazi Bell and Rukma Vimana:

I hope, research is done and credit is given to whom it is due.

Wernher von Braun was among the 1000 German scientists, who, together with their documents and families, were taken to USA in the operation ‘paperclip’. He started the space program of NASA in the 1950s which not only uses mercury ion engines, but also values Sanskrit highly. Yet Talpade was ridiculed and imprisoned by the British. Did NASA independently discover the suitability of mercury or did both get guidance from ancient Indian texts? Would NASA admit?

Space travel

It’s surely incredible that “Western science” was suddenly so advanced as to go into space. Incidentally, the Indian Puranas are full of space travels, but vested interests convinced Indians that these are just fairy tales.

In the Srimad Bhagavatam (book 3, discourse 23), Rishi Kardama, showed his wife Devahuti the whole world from an aerial palace which could fly at will and had all the comforts imaginable. Of course, any normal person would dismiss this as a fairy tale. But we forget that any normal person is brainwashed into believing that the present human is the most intelligent of all living beings and even only 10,000 years earlier, man was primitive.

This narrative is in all likelihood wrong, and there is a good chance that certain powerful people know that it is wrong and prevent any research, for example in archeology, which would prove it. Otherwise, it is inexplicable, why certain findings are hidden and archeologists outed.

Incidentally, in the late 1800s, spacious and comfortable ‘airships’, far larger than any Boeing today, were built and actually flew across the Atlantic to New York in around 55 hours. They were called Zeppelins, named after their German ‘inventor’ Count Zeppelin. Did he really invent the technology or did the Germans have manuscripts with concrete inputs, for example which gasses are lighter than air?

It would be interesting to research.

Great Indian scientists are overlooked by the West

During the Colonial Era, the British did not support Indian scientists, as the example of Talpade showed. And even when Indian scientists discovered pathbreaking innovations like Jagdish Chandra Bose in wireless communication, the credit would be given to Westerners. Google “who invented the radio”, and you will get Western names, foremost Macroni. Even today Bose is excluded from Wikipedia.

Did Bose have an advantage thanks to ancient manuscripts? Incidentally, Bose is also famous for detecting consciousness in plants. Manusmriti, an ancient Dharmic text, mentions that rudimentary consciousness in plants exists.

I was intrigued when I read comments by Heinrich Hertz, who is described as a brilliant German scientist in the field theory of physics.

He wrote: “It is impossible to study this wonderful theory without feeling as if the mathematical equations had an independent life and intelligence of their own, as if they were wiser than ourselves, indeed wiser than their discoverer, as if they gave forth more than he put into them.”

He further said, “We perceive electricity in a thousand places where we had no proof of its existence before. In every flame, in every luminous particle, we see an electric process. Even if a body is not luminous, provided it radiates heat, it is a centre of electric disturbances. Thus, the domain of electricity extends over the whole of nature.”

This sounds like Indian philosophy. And what he says about mathematics, reminded me of Srinivasan Ramanujan. He received his insights in dreams from a source that indeed was “wiser than ourselves”, from his family deity Namagiri.

Incidentally, Hertz said this in 1889 during a lecture “On the Relations Between Light and Electricity”, which he delivered of all places in Heidelberg, the hub of Sanskrit learning in Germany…

Ancient texts still in India need to be studied

Bibek Debroy says that out of 40 million texts in India even AFTER all the destruction and loot, only 5 percent are studied and translated.

Sanskrit, and concepts like “pure consciousness”, are much easier for Indians to understand than for Westerners. Is this one reason why Indian tradition is vilified so badly? To make Indians despise their culture and not study it? Are those powers afraid that Indians could zoom ahead not only in philosophy but also in science and technology? Why did several Indian scientists die an unnatural death in recent decades, starting with the nuclear physicist Homi Bhabha, or were badly defamed, like Nambi Narayanan?

There are many mysteries in India which cannot be explained and numerous ancient texts which still need to be studied.

For example:

How and when were those massive temples and in particular Kailash Mandir be built? Was there ever a genuine enquiry? The Western narrative that most Indian temples were built “1000 years ago” may not be true.

Why would the sculptures show incredible details, moreover of things which were not supposed to exist at their times, like animals which went extinct lakhs of years ago or modern jetpacks?

Here is a screenshot of a video by Praveen Mohan on ancient flying machine. This ancient carving has all the features of a modern jetpack. Were there not only carvings, but also manuscripts with details? It is surely possible, and in all likelihood it is not known where which manuscripts are located and if they are secret.

Another important question: how did the ancient Indians map the sky?

Jyotisha is a branch of the ancient Vedangas. Surya Siddhanta is ancient. In the Ramayana alone, there are some 600 references to astrological constellations according to Nilesh Oak. How was this possible?

How long does one need to observe the myriads of lights in the night sky to discover that a few of those lights are close to the earth and not self-luminous? Incidentally, all ancient cultures knew not only about the planets, but also about their influence and nature. It can be assumed, all those cultures were linked, yet nobody asks questions how this knowledge was obtained.

Even today, we probably would not know much about astronomy, if we needed to rely solely on our intelligence, reason and observation, and had absolutely no literature to fall back to. 

Wikipedia says “ancient astronomers were able to make geometric observations with various instruments.”

If they could do this stationed on earth, they were surely geniuses.

India is the only ancient culture which still survives. Strangely, instead of wanting to study and preserve it, the world seems intent to annihilate it.

What could be the reason?

By Maria Wirth

some interesting links:

4 min video on knowledge from India to Germany to USA

Hitler invited Dandibhatla to decode ancient Sanskrit texts

operation paperclip Thilo Schimmel

operation paperclip Annie Jacobsen

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23 comments

  1. Basu Bose · · Reply

    Maria Ji: The contents of this article are phenomenal and, I , personally, is someone who is continually in the quest of knowledge and information from multiple sources including through personal encounters (whenever and wherever feasible) within the confines of human limits amidst other duties, have never come across anything like this where so much grounds have been covered in so little a space! I can not thank you enough for this article. I would be grateful for ever, and, will treasure it for reading and rereading and rereading. Namoskar and Dhanyabad, Debtfully, Basu Bose

    1. please see the end, i added some links which are very interesting. i got the one about the Sanskrsit scholar Shastry via FB comment

    2. please share

      1. Amrish Kumar · ·

        Greatest of the service to humanity .

  2. It’s true. We have to rewrite the history correctly. Today India has to find its old text and focus more on next generation advancements

  3. S. Mukherjee · · Reply

    Very revealing information! No wonder Germany one of the hubs for deep studies in sanscrit language. Possibly the Swastika symbol of the Natzi party also inspired from the Hindu symbol. Great research by you!
    No wonder opposition parties here with vested interests trying to dismiss our ancient knowledge and history as mere ‘mythology’

  4. Thank you for covering a vast topic so perfectly precise.

    One who would read this, would certainly be inspired to delve more into this topic.

    Your analysis/opinions make it more factual, like this para…

    “Remember: in 1903, the Wright brothers managed to fly only for 12 seconds up to only 38 meters high. How come the German air force had fighter jets in the 1930s and ballistic missiles which not only bombarded London but some of them also went into space over 80 km high?”…

    Thank you, will share in my network. 🙏

    1. Thank you, Vaibhav ji

  5. D.P.Mujumdar · · Reply

    A very well researched article and an excellent compilation of a diverse remotely related information. Good work, Subirji. Why not have some sessions of Jignyasa on this very fascinating topic ?

  6. True and impressive.

  7. SOUMYADIPTA MAJUMDER · · Reply

    Dear S. Mukherjee,

    Only the contemporary Nazi literature can tell us what the Nazis actually thought about Swastika.I begin by considering the views of Erich Koch. Koch was a top officer of Nazi Germany. He organised Nazi concentration camps. He was sentenced to life imprisonment after the war. However, Erich Koch was not just a Nazi who gassed people to death in concentration camps. He was a president of German protestant Church Synod. He was a scholar of Bible and would recite the entire New Testament orally. As such, his views about Hakenkreuz are very revealing:

    ”Truly, Christ has returned. The second coming of Christ has happened. Christ has now come in the form of Hitler. He has come to exterminate the Marxists and the irreligious. He now comes not with a cross but with the hooked cross (Haken Kreuz)”- Erich Koch.

    Koch was a brutal, ruthless Nazi of the first order. He personified Nazi barbarity by playing a leading role in the murdεr of thousands of Jews and their deportation to camps. Yet, even in his post war testimony, he insisted that he was doing nothing but the work of Christ!.

    Koch was not alone. Even Joseph Goebbels, one of Hitler’s closest acolytes, held similar eschatological Christian views about “hooked cross”. He saw Nazism as an apocalyptic movement that personifies Christ’s mission of destroying Anti-Christian Jewish and Marxist forces. At the end of his autobiographical diary named Michael, Joseph Goebbels declares-“The war we are now waging today is a struggle between Jesus Christ and Marx”.

    Hans Schemm was an educator and a top minister of Nazi Germany. He famously declared -“Our religion is Christ, our politics is motherland”. Explaining the meaning of Nazi Hakenkreuz, he also alluded to Hitler as a personification of Christ.

    ”In its first appearance, the cross used to be straight because Christ had come with love. Now, the day of judgement has arrived. The cross is hooked (referring to Hakenkreuz) because Christ has come with wrath. Redeem yourself”- Hans Schemm.

    Christian eschatology was at the core of Nazi ideology since inception. When Nazi party was founded, Hitler announced 25-point Program. Point 24 says Nazi Party advocates “positive Christianity“. It combats Jewish spirit within & around us”.

    It is clear that Hakenkreuz of Nazis had absolutely nothing to Swastika of Hindus. Nazi Hakenkreuz had a Christian eschatological concept of second coming of the Christ with the hooked cross. Why then has the Nazi hooked cross been dissociated from its Christian background? Why has Nazi Hooked Cross been dissociated with its Christian roots & identified with Hindu swastika? There is absolutely NO EVIDENCE that Nazis borrowed this symbol from India.

    In fact, hooked cross has always been one of Church motifs. There is Hooked Cross motif in Vatican. After Nazis lost the war & were disgraced when their crimes were out for the world to see, any association with Nazis was deemed unpopular. Christian apologists spilled a lot of ink to

    1) Dissociate Nazism from Christianity.
    2) Dissociate Hooked Cross with Christian cross

    1. Excellent Point. There are several videos and reading materials out there on Swastik vs Haken Cruz. In many US states, the leftists have been trying to ban use of Swastik in public. Hindu communities have successfully thwarted those efforts by educating the lawmakers. Thank you.

  8. Gunjan Mohanka · · Reply

    I once read an article on all the Sanskrit knowledge in western nations. Germany & England carted away manuscripts by the ton. The number of them in England would actually cover a mile of road space. Then there was France. The writer said even countries like Italy have our manuscripts. And many other besides. I had saved the article but can’t find it now. Wonder if you’d know anything about it.

    1. No, I don’t know this article but it makes sense. There must be lot in Vatican library, possibly even translated and the original destroyed

    2. See also my article on Indian influence on German philosophers

  9. Very interesting. Thanks for research and the information. Even this is largely hidden and formal education in India has 0 access to any of this knowledge, however little information/knowledge this can be that you have shared.
    So a big thanks to you !!

  10. […] these scientists did not say whether or not old writings assisted them in making “their discoveries.” […]

  11. I have read this text.
    I feel lucky to find what I was searching.
    My kind regards ☺️
    Namaste

  12. Indra Deshmukh · · Reply

    Great Article. Thank you.

  13. Jaymohan · · Reply

    This is the biggest eye opener! Can’t believe the world is so unjust! Maria, you must be given the highest civilian honor by Indians! Glorious service for such efforts! 1.2 billion people and only you are here to give India it’s due credit! Million pranams to you!

    1. Kind of you, but it’s too much praise. It pains me to see India being so unfairly treated.

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